In this episode, pastor Doug Wilson discusses the recent hubbub surrounding Joe Rigney and the Man Rampant episode, "The Sin of Empathy."
Empathy has multiple meanings
Sympathy and Empathy debate
is a Christian virtue
saving a someone by keeping one foot on the bank and reaching out to the drowning person
is sympathy a sin? saying this could be seen as provocative. Brene Brown attacked sympathy in her video. She criticized all sympathy, it drives people apart, is creates disconnection. So why can't we say empathy drives disconnection, disconnection from reality and facts on the ground. (They seem upset about this criticism and how it was done.)
Joe and I see empathy as problematic
is identifying completely with the person downing.
The sin of empathy is totally entering the other person
Being provocative with saying empathy is sin is a way to get at a real issue.
The Woke see feelings as autonomous and unquestionable by outside reality. versus we all have our own truths.
Joe says Empathy B is. If I am miserable, then you must be in sin.
Story, a woman was making accusations against someone else and they didn't add up. the counselor said, "this is her truth", but what is the truth Doug asks. (that is why there is a trial.) Social Justice demands the primacy of feelings and it's just about power. Feelings must be measured against social justice. justice is about power and what you can get away with. This starts with empathizing with people and their feelings and not trying to find out if it is true. It sounds good to say to believe all victims, or all women.
feelings versus facts
mobs versus courts
injustice or justice
damnation or salvation
Joe says, "we can grieve with others but not lose ourselves in the grief of others." putting someone else in your emotional drivers seat.
Joe says, "empathy is the parasitic version of sympathy. It is what sympathy looks like when it goes bad."
"David French recently wrote about what he sees as a significant developing problem with the issues of empathy and sympathy in the church. As yours truly got mentioned in his piece, I thought this would be a good time for a refresher on this most significant topic. "
This topic is a big deal.
Confusion of empathy and sympathy.
References Brene Brown empathy/sympathy video
is upset that Brene Brown is saying sympathy causes disconnection. using a strawman argument.
also the video has problems.
when we hear a story, we don't have all the facts so we need to withhold judgement and stay detached and get all the facts.
If someone tells us a horror story of a racist taunt, or abusive behavior, withholding judgement is not telling the person they are lying. It demonstrates a commitment to the truth.
you should not empathize with the accuser because we know how frail our judgement can be. (we can empathize with both. or all sides and bring the parties together to empathize with each other to work out the issues)
(rather muddled understanding of empathy. Would be good to put these stories into an empathy circle and play them out)
America is burning down and the fuel for this is empathy. lynch mobs come from empathy. go right to the feeling and act on it.
empathy is the weaponization of untethered emotion.
if a women accuses a man of rape, and you empathize with either of them, you don't deserve to be on the jury.
(seem to think empathy is agreement. he doesn't understand that empathy is sensing into all the parties experiences and and then bring the parties together to empathize with each other. Would again be helpful to do an empathy circle and model this. )
there is a disconnect between what the person is saying and what is happening.
if someone is sharing a delusion, if you empathize with them, you are supporting the delusion and the lack of objective reality.
facts do not care about your feelings (but feelings are a fact, people are experiencing feelings and that is a fact.)
this is applied to the issue of racism, We are supposed to accept their accusations of racism, and empathize with it and not say anything in response. ( ver. empathizing with what they say, and then have them empathize with you, and have a mutually empathic dialogue.)
empathy mean you set aside THE TRUTH, if it happened or not. and enter into the malady of whatever the person has. by acknowledging they other persons Truth is burns down western civilization.
Brings in the whole culture wars. and Woke Social Justice.
Empathy v Sympathy
Narcissist can not show empathy