This project needs a full time team to develop the Wholistic Empathy Model and
compare it to the current definitions
respond to the criticisms
respond to the inaccurate or in effective responses to the criticism.
I'm starting on comparing the Wholistic Empathy model to the Cognitive/Affective/Concern Model
doing research on Cognitive/Affective/Concern Model
documenting it
gathering quotes
Good to set some deadlines for projects?
what project would Jodie like to focus on
Edwin working on presentation
Create a workshop - a good way to test and get feedback on the Wholistic Empathy definition model.
Create a list of parts, that people could easily analyze a criticisms of empathy can select the fallacies and how to respond to the fallacies.
groups and empathy
ingroup
is difficult
DanceÂ
contact improve
Competition ver Empathy
the social structure
competition ver empathy
competition is positive?
winner gets the rewards
the sides have empathy circles with each other?
Thomas Gordon - PET - no win-lose
Power over and power with - Power vr. Empathy
https://otter.ai/u/i0tadCAgspCzRzdNu4GAnPCbjng?view=summary
Edwin Rutsch and Jodie Jenson discussed the challenges of defining and promoting empathy, including the impact of AI-generated videos and the complexity of cognitive and affective empathy. They highlighted the need for a holistic approach to empathy, contrasting it with woke ideologies that view empathy as a gateway to victimhood. Daniel Hirtz emphasized the importance of empathy circles in fostering inclusive dialogue and conflict resolution. They also explored the balance between competition and cooperation, the role of empathy in political discourse, and the potential for empathy circles to transform societal structures, advocating for a culture of empathy that values all perspectives.
[ ] @Edwin Rutsch - Explore creating an empathy-focused video with Edwin and Jodie.
[ ] @Edwin Rutsch - Follow up on the conversation about "radical empathy" and have a dialogue with the presenter.
[ ] @Edwin Rutsch - Consider doing another presentation on the definition of empathy, potentially with Edwin.
[ ] @Edwin Rutsch - Explore using Vo3 to create additional empathy-focused video content.
Edwin Rutsch discusses his work on AI-generated promotional videos for the empathy circle.
Jodie Jenson mentions AI-generated videos of political figures like Donald Trump.
Edwin Rutsch shares his experience at a conference where he presented on the cognitive and affective empathy model.
Edwin Rutsch expresses frustration with the current state of empathy models and suggests the need for a new approach.
Daniel Hirtz talks about a meeting where the recording was compromised due to technical issues.
Jodie Jenson inquires about the Q&A session after Edwin Rutsch's presentation.
Edwin Rutsch mentions Kevin Waltman's article on radical empathy and the criticism it received.
Edwin Rutsch highlights the split between pure empathy and empathy as a gateway to woke philosophy.
Edwin Rutsch and Jodie Jenson discuss the ideal of empathizing with all sides and the challenges of achieving it.
Daniel Hirtz emphasizes the importance of not diluting empathy with words and the need for a holistic approach.
Jodie Jenson shares her idea of an empathic dance event to explore non-verbal empathy.
The conversation touches on the emotional and primal aspects of empathy beyond words.
Jodie Jenson explains the concept of in-group versus out-group biases and how it affects empathy.
Edwin Rutsch and Daniel Hirtz discuss the importance of overcoming tribal mindsets to foster empathy.
Jodie Jenson shares her experience with sports camps and the challenges of intergroup empathy.
The discussion includes the role of group identities in shaping empathy and the need for a more inclusive approach.
Edwin Rutsch and Daniel Hirtz debate the role of competition in a culture of empathy.
Jodie Jenson provides examples of healthy competition with a higher purpose versus destructive competition.
Daniel Hirtz discusses the historical context of competition and cooperation in politics and society.
The conversation explores the balance between competition and cooperation in fostering empathy.
Edwin Rutsch suggests creating empathy circles within political parties and across party lines.
Daniel Hirtz emphasizes the need for a culture of empathy that includes all perspectives.
The discussion includes the role of empathy circles in building empathic structures in society.
Edwin Rutsch and Daniel Hirtz explore the potential of empathy circles to transform political discourse and social interactions.
Edwin Rutsch and Daniel Hirtz discuss the importance of clear definitions and practices for empathy.
Jodie Jenson shares concerns about the challenges of understanding and empathizing with others.
Edwin Rutsch explains the process of sensing into another person's experience and the role of reactions in empathy.
The conversation touches on the potential for empathy to be misused or distorted by ideological agendas.
Daniel Hirtz discusses the need for a fundamental shift towards an empathic culture.
Edwin Rutsch and Daniel Hirtz explore the potential for empathy circles to create a more inclusive and cooperative society.
The discussion includes the challenges of addressing authoritarianism and divisive politics through empathy.
Edwin Rutsch and Daniel Hirtz emphasize the importance of creating a vision for a more empathic future.
Edwin Rutsch and Daniel Hirtz discuss the need for practical tools and practices to support empathy.
Jodie Jenson shares her experience with sports camps and the importance of balancing empathy with practical goals.
The conversation includes the role of empathy in conflict resolution and building stronger relationships.
Edwin Rutsch and Daniel Hirtz explore the potential for empathy to transform various aspects of society, from politics to education.
Daniel Hirtz discusses the importance of creating a positive vision for the future.
Edwin Rutsch and Daniel Hirtz explore the potential for empathy circles to inspire and guide social and political change.
The conversation includes the role of empathy in addressing global challenges like climate change and social inequality.
Edwin Rutsch and Daniel Hirtz emphasize the need for a holistic approach to empathy that includes both individual and collective efforts.
Zoom Meeting summary for Edwin Rutsch's Personal Meeting Room (06/03/2025)
The group explored the complexities of defining and practicing empathy, discussing various interpretations and challenges in implementing empathy across different contexts including group identities, competition, and cultural divides. They examined how empathy circles and active listening could help transform competitive social structures and foster a culture of cooperation and understanding, particularly in contrast to current trends of division and authoritarianism. The discussion concluded with concerns about how empathy and nonviolent communication have been influenced by woke ideology, while also touching on practical matters regarding website donations and future planning.
Edwin & Daniel: Meet on Friday to discuss next steps for the donation system implementation
Daniel: Sign up for VO.3 one-month trial to explore video creation capabilities
Edwin shared his experience presenting on empathy at a recent conference, highlighting the complexity of defining cognitive and affective empathy and the need to address different interpretations of empathy, including "radical empathy" and its association with woke activism. He noted a split in the empathy community between those focusing on listening to all sides and those emphasizing victim-perpetrator dynamics. Jodie and Daniel discussed the challenges of defining empathy through words alone, with Daniel emphasizing that true empathy involves an open, holistic relationship to life rather than just mental understanding. Jodie suggested exploring empathy through non-verbal means, such as dance, to capture its more primal and emotional aspects.
Jodie and Daniel discussed the challenges of empathy, particularly in the context of group identities and in-group versus out-group biases. Jodie explained how these biases can make it difficult to practice empathy across different groups, while Daniel emphasized that empathy is a process that involves learning and growth, even when mistakes are made. They also touched on the concept of "contesting orientation" in sports, where the way one views their opponent can impact their approach to competition and character development.
Jodie discussed the importance of viewing others as partners and emphasized that different perspectives and teams can help balance and improve society. She highlighted the need for holistic empathy, where both listening and understanding the other side are crucial. Edwin and Daniel expanded on this, discussing how competitive social structures can be transformed using empathy and active listening, as seen in Thomas Gordon's Parent Effectiveness Training. Daniel further explored the historical shift from a cooperative "Commons" model to a more divisive and competitive society, emphasizing the need to restore a culture of wholeness and cooperation to counteract destructive forces.
Jodie and Daniel discussed the nature of competition, with Jodie arguing that competition isn't inherently bad but becomes problematic when winning is prioritized over higher purposes. They explored examples of constructive competition, like the X Prize for ocean cleanup, versus destructive competition, like Microsoft's acquisition strategy. Daniel shared insights from his experience with worker-owned cooperatives, highlighting the challenge of balancing internal cooperation with external competition. The discussion concluded with Jodie connecting the topic to empathy, suggesting that focusing on winning rather than shared purposes can create barriers to empathy, particularly when dealing with cultural and linguistic differences.
The group discussed the nature of empathy, with Jodie expressing her view that complete understanding of others is impossible due to personal filters. Edwin clarified that empathy is not a destination but a continuous process of sensing into others' experiences, distinguishing between sensing and reaction. Daniel contributed that complete listening involves suspending one's inner process to fully reflect the other person, describing this as an act of liberation and wholeness.
Edwin and Daniel discussed the importance of creating a culture of empathy in contrast to the current narrative of exclusion, particularly in political discourse. They explored the idea of establishing empathy circles as a structural approach to foster understanding across different perspectives. Daniel emphasized the distinction between promoting an ideal ideology of empathy and cultivating a culture that values connection and inclusivity, without the need to convert others to one's own beliefs. They agreed on the significance of listening and modeling empathetic behavior to encourage mutual understanding and reduce friction.
Edwin and Daniel discussed the relationship between power, empathy, and authoritarianism in society. They explored how democracy attempts to balance power and promote empathy, but can still lean towards authoritarianism. Daniel emphasized the need for a strong empathetic culture to address division and hate, particularly in the United States. They also touched on restorative justice as an alternative to punitive measures in the legal system.
Edwin and Daniel discussed the potential for empathy circles to foster a more empathetic culture within the judicial system and broader society. They explored the challenges of shifting from a competitive global culture to one that prioritizes cooperation and empathy, highlighting the need for a fundamental cultural and political transformation. Daniel emphasized the urgency of addressing environmental and societal issues, suggesting that empathy circles could play a crucial role in this shift by aligning with the natural trajectory of the cosmos towards cooperation.
Edwin and Daniel discuss the importance of defining empathy clearly and keeping it simple. They agree that the essence of empathy is listening and reflecting back what someone says, without getting caught up in internal anxieties about doing it correctly. They consider this a potential topic for an Empathy Summit. Edwin shares some AI-generated videos he created to promote empathy circles, including scenarios with religious figures and futuristic settings. Daniel suggests the need for more positive visions of the future, citing the prevalence of dystopian narratives in media. They conclude by emphasizing the importance of creating a strong foundation for empathy and its practices, while also considering how to expand its impact beyond empathy circles.
Daniel and Edwin discussed concerns about how empathy and nonviolent communication (NVC) have been influenced by "woke" ideology, which they see as creating divisions rather than fostering genuine understanding. They agreed that empathy circles could be a way to address these tensions, though they noted that participation might be challenging. They also briefly touched on a website donation matter, which Daniel said he would research further before making any changes, with a follow-up meeting planned for Friday.