Jodie and Edwin
Agenda
Saturday - Held Empathy Summit.  - Jodie's Speaks at Oct and Nov Summit
See all Empathy Circle presentations
Testing the Wholistic Empathy Model with Academics
Meeting with Amber Bennett-Weston tomorrow . Discuss Definitions
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Working on Criticism of empathy. Focusing on Drama Triangle
Gathering quotes and material on  Criticisms of empathy that fit into the Drama Triangle. Â
many criticisms fit in this dynamic and by showing how empathy is the exit from the drama triangle we give the counter argument of a bunch of criticism.
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Today? Give a presentation of  Drama Triangle and Empathy Circle?
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Meeting summary
Edwin shared updates about the MPT summit and his ongoing work compiling empathy circle presentations and stories, while also planning to meet with Amber Bennett to discuss the empathy definition model. Edwin and Jodie discussed the drama triangle concept and its connection to empathy, exploring how empathy circles can help address and transform these dynamics in both personal and professional settings. They concluded by examining various aspects of empathy, including self-compassion and its relationship to the drama triangle, while agreeing to continue their discussion next week on the topic of empathy's role in societal victimhood mentality.
Jodie to think of criticisms of empathy that fit within the drama triangle format and prepare to present one at the next meeting.
Edwin to continue developing the drama triangle vs. empathy circle comparison.
Jodie to explore the concept of self-empathy as distinct from self-compassion and how it relates to the drama triangle.
Edwin to share the dialogue between left and right political perspectives in empathy circles at the next meeting.
Jodie to consider how to publish more academic research on empathy circles as an exit from the drama triangle.
Edwin to continue reaching out to academics to test the holistic empathy model and confront the affective-cognitive empathy model.
Edwin shared updates about the recent MPT summit, which was well-attended and included several presentations on empathy circles. He is compiling a collection of empathy circle presentations and stories, including experiences with community groups and academic applications. Edwin is planning to meet with Amber Bennett to discuss the empathy definition model and is reaching out to academics to gain more support and validation for the practice. Jodie expressed interest in following the Stony Brook Center for Empathic Healthcare on LinkedIn.
Edwin and Jodie discussed Edwin's work on the drama triangle and criticisms of empathy, including the need for a rapid response team to address criticisms quickly. They agreed on the importance of having both academic and practical perspectives in their work, with Edwin noting his unique position as a "pracademic." Jodie shared her experience working in West Africa and in academia, highlighting the challenges of bridging the gap between practitioners and academics. They expressed a shared desire to bring together a diverse team of individuals with both practical and academic expertise.
Edwin and Jodie discussed their personal schedules, with Jodie mentioning her children returning to school and her upcoming babysitting responsibilities. They agreed to focus on the drama triangle for their next presentation, with Edwin offering to share his research and framework. Jodie expressed interest in this approach and suggested comparing it to the circle concept they had previously discussed. They decided to proceed with Edwin presenting his findings on the drama triangle, with Jodie planning to add any additional criticisms she had encountered.
Edwin presented on the empathy circle as a method for exiting the drama triangle, discussing its definition and comparison to the cognitive-affective empathy model. He explained the roles in the drama triangle: persecutor, victim, and rescuer, and noted that many criticisms of empathy can be mapped onto these dynamics. Edwin also mentioned his efforts to reach out to academics for testing and criticism of the holistic empathy model.
Edwin discussed the dynamics of the drama triangle using a family scenario involving Mark, Alex, and Sarah. He explained how the roles of victim, persecutor, and rescuer shift among family members during conflicts, often leading to ongoing cycles of criticism and misunderstanding. Edwin also described how empathy circles could be used to address these dynamics by encouraging participants to reflect on each other's feelings and perspectives.
Edwin presented a scenario involving a dialogue between family members that demonstrates how the drama triangle can transform into an empathy circle through active listening and understanding. Jodie praised the practical application of this concept, noting its relevance to real-world family dynamics and the visual effectiveness of the empathy circle diagram. They discussed how criticisms of empathy, such as bias towards attractive or similar individuals, can be analyzed within the framework of the drama triangle.
Edwin and Jodie discussed the dynamics of the persecutor-victim-rescuer triangle, using examples of political and religious exclusion to illustrate how individuals can become trapped in these roles. They agreed that empathy and inclusion are key to breaking these patterns, with Jodie sharing personal experiences of being excluded at a liberal university and a Christian conference. The conversation highlighted how group dynamics often lead to exclusion and conflict, but emphasized that creating an environment where everyone has a voice can help resolve these issues.
Jodie and Edwin discussed the concepts of self-compassion and self-empathy, with Jodie highlighting the importance of understanding common humanity to move out of self-victimization. They explored the differences between compassion and empathy, with Edwin suggesting self-empathy as a more comprehensive term. Jodie expressed interest in researching how self-compassion relates to the drama triangle and empathy circle, and mentioned a fellow PhD student who challenges the self-compassion construct with her concept of "self-whole love."
Edwin and Jodie discussed the concept of empathy and its role in perpetuating a "victimhood mentality" in society, as well as the potential for empathy circles to foster dialogue between liberals and conservatives. They agreed to continue their discussion next week, with Jodie expressing a desire to explore this topic further and potentially publish their findings academically and to a broader audience.
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Edwin Rutsch and Jodie Jenson discussed the recent Empathy Summit, which had 35 attendees and featured eight presentations. Edwin highlighted the Drama Triangle model, contrasting it with the Empathy Circle, which promotes mutual understanding and responsibility. They explored criticisms of empathy, such as Bloom's bias claim, and how these fit within the Drama Triangle. Jodie shared her experiences with self-compassion and the challenges of bridging academic and practical perspectives. They emphasized the need for more research and practical applications to promote empathy and break out of the Drama Triangle's cycle.
[ ] @Edwin Rutsch - Meet with Amber Bennett Weston to discuss the empathy definition model.
[ ] @Edwin Rutsch - Continue developing the presentation comparing the Drama Triangle and Empathy Circle, and incorporate any new criticisms or examples.
[ ] Identify and analyze additional criticisms of empathy that fit within the Drama Triangle framework.
Edwin Rutsch shares details about the recent empathy summit, noting it had great energy and interesting presentations.
The summit had 35 attendees and included eight presentations, with a link provided for further information.
Edwin highlights specific presentations, including one by Alyssa from UC Berkeley, who shared her transformative experience with empathy circles.
Other presentations covered topics like self-empathy, community empathy cafes, and using empathy circles for organizing and conflict resolution.
Edwin mentions an upcoming meeting with Amber Bennett Weston to discuss the empathy definition model.
He is reaching out to academics to get their feedback and confront the affective-cognitive empathy model.
Edwin discusses the Stoney Gate Center for Empathic Healthcare in the UK, which focuses on empathy within healthcare.
Jodie Jenson mentions following the center on LinkedIn and notes the challenges of getting academics to accept empathy circles.
Edwin introduces the Drama Triangle model, explaining its roles: persecutor, victim, and rescuer.
He discusses criticisms of empathy, such as it turning people into victims, and how these fit within the Drama Triangle.
Edwin suggests creating a rapid response team to analyze and respond to criticisms of empathy.
Jodie Jenson agrees and notes the need for a balance between practitioners and academics.
Jodie shares her experience working in West Africa, where practitioners were resistant to academic approaches.
She contrasts this with her current academic work, which she finds too theoretical and disconnected from practical applications.
Edwin and Jodie discuss the importance of being grounded in both practical experience and academic rigor.
They express a shared interest in being "crackademics," bridging the gap between practitioners and academics.
Edwin presents a comparison of the Drama Triangle and empathy circles, showing how empathy circles can transform dysfunctional dynamics.
He provides a scenario illustrating how the Drama Triangle plays out in a family context and how empathy circles can help.
Jodie appreciates the practical application and visual representation of the empathy circle.
They discuss the importance of common humanity and self-empathy in breaking out of the Drama Triangle.
Edwin shares criticisms of empathy, such as Paul Bloom's claim that empathy is biased, and how these fit within the Drama Triangle.
He provides examples of how the Drama Triangle plays out in real-world situations, such as political and religious biases.
Jodie shares her experiences of being a conservative at a liberal university and a member of the LDS church, highlighting the exclusion and victimization dynamics.
They discuss the importance of self-compassion and self-empathy in breaking out of the victim mentality.
Jodie expresses interest in researching the relationship between self-compassion and empathy circles.
Edwin mentions the need for more research and academic engagement to validate the effectiveness of empathy circles.
They discuss the challenges of balancing academic work with practical applications and the need for more time and resources.
Jodie suggests the importance of publishing research both academically and for lay audiences to increase awareness and impact.
Edwin and Jodie agree to continue their discussions and explore more criticisms and practical examples.
They plan to meet again next week for a longer session to delve deeper into the topic.
Jodie expresses her commitment to contributing to the research and practical applications of empathy circles.
They conclude with a shared vision of helping society break out of the Drama Triangle and embrace empathy circles for broader positive change.