[ ] @Edwin Rutsch - Edwin and Jodie to explore the possibility of organizing a "fear empathy circle" as a new practice.
don't want to tie up the time in this time slot.
[ ] Jodie to follow up on connecting with Daryl Cameron and David Wingate regarding empathic AI research.
[ ] Review: These Things Called Empathy: Eight Related but Distinct Phenomena By Dan Batson. A paper on 8 different ways the word empathy is uses. https://www.definingempathy.com/development/Models/dan-batson
I ask that you bring your examples into the empathy circle.Â
cognitive/affective empathy
Edwin working on Presentations
research Quotes
next Week
Review: These Things Called Empathy: Eight Related but Distinct Phenomena By Dan Batson. A paper on 8 different ways the word empathy is uses. https://www.definingempathy.com/development/Models/dan-batson
https://otter.ai/u/4hpmbvGR_qm0Nm6CGXOKNTQkh-c?view=summary
The meeting focused on defining empathy and its applications. Atasha shared her experience facilitating empathy circles and her interest in psychology, particularly Carl Rogers' work. Edwin and Jodie discussed the academic definition of empathy, emphasizing the need for clarity to avoid misinterpretations. They explored the concept of holistic empathy and its role in addressing conflicts, such as the Drama Triangle. The group also discussed the criticisms of empathy, including its weaponization, and the importance of understanding cognitive and affective empathy. They planned to delve deeper into Dan Batson's article and Carl Rogers' work in future meetings.
[ ] @Edwin Rutsch - Role-play the scenario from the Dan Batson article within an empathy circle.
[ ] Discuss the Dan Batson article in depth.
[ ] Review the Carl Rogers "Empathic Way of Being" article/video.
Edwin Rutsch introduces the meeting's focus on defining empathy and invites participants to introduce themselves.
Speaker 1, Natasha, shares her background, including her participation in online empathy circles and her role as a facilitator in a virtual community.
Natasha discusses her interest in empathy, her involvement in psychology courses, and her appreciation for Carl Rogers' work.
Natasha mentions a recent discussion she watched between Edwin and Kevin, where they debated the criticisms of empathy.
Natasha expresses her interest in the relationship between the Drama Triangle and the empathy definition project.
Edwin Rutsch explains the academic focus of their work on defining empathy and the importance of understanding different perspectives.
Jodie Jenson introduces herself, mentioning her PhD in Social Psychology and her interest in empathy and emotional intelligence.
Jodie discusses the complexity of defining empathy and the importance of having a clear definition for academic research.
Edwin Rutsch outlines the holistic empathy model and the criticisms of empathy, including its use as a gateway practice for activism.
Edwin emphasizes the need for a clear definition of empathy to address these criticisms and bridge divides.
The discussion includes the use of the Drama Triangle framework to understand and address conflicts within empathy circles.
Edwin mentions the goal of building an empathy movement and the need for a clear definition to achieve this.
Natasha introduces the concept of weaponized empathy and its implications in political contexts.
Edwin Rutsch and Jodie Jenson discuss the differences between empathy and sympathy, and the potential for empathy to be weaponized.
The conversation explores the role of empathy circles in addressing conflicts and promoting holistic empathy.
Edwin suggests using empathy circles to discuss and address the criticisms of empathy, including the concept of weaponized empathy.
The group decides to conduct an empathy circle to set the tone for their discussion.
Natasha reflects on her experience with empathy circles and her understanding of clinical empathy.
Jodie Jenson shares her thoughts on the importance of holistic empathy and the challenges of defining empathy.
The group discusses the role of empathy in addressing social issues, such as immigration and cultural empathy deficits.
Jodie Jenson expresses her interest in understanding the different definitions of empathy and their implications.
The group discusses the complexity of empathy and the need for a clear definition to study it effectively.
Natasha shares her experience with a friend who scored high on cognitive empathy and the implications of this for understanding empathy.
The conversation explores the role of empathy in social interactions and the challenges of defining it within different contexts.
Natasha discusses the role of cognitive empathy in intelligence agencies and the recruitment of individuals with empathy and sociopathic tendencies.
Jodie Jenson expresses her interest in understanding the different definitions of empathy and their implications for social interactions.
The group discusses the importance of having a clear definition of empathy to study it effectively.
Natasha shares her experience with a friend who scored high on cognitive empathy and the implications of this for understanding empathy.
Jodie Jenson discusses her interest in understanding the development of empathy from a social and developmental perspective.
The group explores the role of empathy in social interactions and the challenges of defining it within different contexts.
Natasha shares her experience with a friend who scored high on cognitive empathy and the implications of this for understanding empathy.
The conversation highlights the importance of having a clear definition of empathy to study it effectively.
The group discusses the role of empathy in social interactions and the challenges of defining it within different contexts.
Natasha shares her experience with a friend who scored high on cognitive empathy and the implications of this for understanding empathy.
The conversation explores the importance of having a clear definition of empathy to study it effectively.
Jodie Jenson expresses her interest in understanding the different definitions of empathy and their implications for social interactions.
The group discusses the importance of having a holistic understanding of empathy and its role in social interactions.
Jodie Jenson shares her interest in understanding the different definitions of empathy and their implications for social interactions.
The conversation explores the role of empathy in social interactions and the challenges of defining it within different contexts.
Natasha shares her experience with a friend who scored high on cognitive empathy and the implications of this for understanding empathy.
The group discusses the practical applications of empathy in social interactions and the importance of having a clear definition.
Jodie Jenson expresses her interest in understanding the different definitions of empathy and their implications for social interactions.
The conversation explores the role of empathy in social interactions and the challenges of defining it within different contexts.
Natasha shares her experience with a friend who scored high on cognitive empathy and the implications of this for understanding empathy.
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Meeting summary
The group explored various aspects of empathy, including its definition, potential for weaponization, and different forms such as affective and cognitive empathy. They discussed practical applications of empathy circles and conducted exercises to better understand empathy and reflection techniques. The participants shared research findings, personal experiences, and insights from academic articles, while planning future discussions and exercises to further explore empathy's complexities and practical applications.
Edwin and Jodie: Develop a training for empathy circle communities to help people better understand their definition of empathy.
Edwin: Continue refining the holistic empathy model presentation.
Team: Develop responses to criticisms like "sin of empathy" and "toxic empathy" to support building an empathy movement.
Natasha: Research the concept of "weaponized empathy" and prepare a presentation on it to compare with the holistic empathy model.
Edwin: Map Dan Batson's paper to the holistic empathy circle model for a future presentation.
Edwin and Jodie: Further explore the drama triangle framework for addressing conflicts related to empathy.
Edwin and Natasha discussed the empathy definition project and Natasha's experience with online empathy circles. Natasha expressed interest in the project and shared her background in psychology and experience facilitating circles. They briefly touched on the concept of "circling" and its differences from empathy circles, with Natasha explaining her view of circling as a more unstructured form of communication. Edwin mentioned he would provide a framework for their discussion before delving deeper into the topic of circling.
Edwin and Jodie discussed their ongoing work on defining empathy, focusing on creating a clear and coherent definition to align with their research and potential training for empathy circle communities. Edwin highlighted his efforts in developing presentations on the holistic empathy model, addressing criticisms, and exploring how the model can bridge political divides. Atasha contributed insights on weaponized empathy, emphasizing its relevance in today's polarized world and suggesting further research and discussion on this topic. The group considered exploring the concept of weaponized empathy in relation to the holistic model and planned to have a session to discuss and compare these ideas.
The group discussed the concept of empathy and its potential to be weaponized, particularly in the context of propaganda and the drama triangle. Edwin and Atasha debated the definition of empathy, with Edwin arguing that true empathy involves listening to all sides and Atasha suggesting that selective empathy could be used as a strategic tool. Jodie agreed that the difference in their perspectives likely stemmed from different definitions of empathy, and suggested that the empathy circle model could help resolve these conflicts by promoting open listening to all sides of an issue.
The group discussed the concept of the drama triangle and entropy circle, with Jodie explaining how these models relate to human behavior. Atasha and Edwin agreed to participate in an empty chair exercise, with Edwin serving as the listener for Atasha's turn. During the exercise, Atasha shared her experience trying a new supplement and being aware of her surroundings, including noticing her bass guitar was not properly in its stand.
Edwin and Atasha discussed their different styles of reflecting and reflecting back, with Atasha noting Edwin's deeper, constellation-like reflections. They explored the concept of clinical empathy, with Atasha sharing her understanding of its two types: innate and cognitive/learned. Atasha also shared a personal story about a friend who may have been a sociopath, based on their behavior and scores on psychometric tests.
Edwin and Jodie discussed the distinction between empathy and sympathy, particularly in the context of humanitarian appeals and social issues like immigration. They explored how empathy might be manipulated in fundraising efforts and questioned whether these responses truly align with the concept of empathy. They concluded that a more effective approach to addressing such issues might involve creating empathic societies and using empathy circles to facilitate dialogue among all stakeholders, including immigrants, political left and right, to address complex social problems.
Jodie expressed interest in accessing and analyzing an article by Dan Batson on empathy, which Edwin shared a link to. She appreciated the article's detailed breakdown of eight empathy phenomena using a real-world example and noted the complexity of defining empathy across various contexts. Jodie shared her surprise at discovering multiple academic definitions of empathy, which differ from her personal understanding, highlighting the challenge of studying a subject she thought would be straightforward.
Atasha and Jodie discussed the definitions and applications of empathy, particularly focusing on cognitive and affective empathy. Atasha explained her understanding that affective empathy is innate for most people, while cognitive empathy is learned and often necessary for those on the autism or sociopathic spectrum to function socially. They also explored how intelligence agencies like the CIA recruit individuals who possess a balance of empathy and sociopathic tendencies, though Atasha noted the lack of public research on this topic.
Edwin and Jodie discussed Jodie's experience in empathy circles, noting her focus on being present and forgetting pre-planned thoughts. They talked about Jodie's research on empathy, including her interviews with notable figures in empathy research like Dan Batson. Jodie expressed challenges in balancing her extensive to-do list with time for additional research and video watching. They agreed to focus on closing thoughts for the empathy circle in their next meeting, with Edwin requesting that Jodie bring concrete examples of affective and cognitive empathy from the circle discussions.
The group discussed two key articles on empathy, with Jodie expressing appreciation for their depth and suggesting a follow-up discussion to delve deeper into them. Edwin proposed using a story from one of the articles in an empathy circle role-play exercise, which Jodie supported. Atasha shared her interest in the practical application of empathy circles and mentioned her curiosity about the correlation between sociopathy and different forms of empathy. The group also explored resources, including a book by Greg Henriquez and an interview with Sam Vaknin, a self-identified narcissist with psychopathic tendencies who participated in an empathy circle. They agreed to continue their discussion in the next meeting.